Apparently I am a dictator and need to die of cancer.
I hereby would like to claim the moral high ground, and present to you the true face of the carebear. Straight from the EVE-online forums:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1242925&page=2#38
Originally by: Alt0101
So, first you claim your apology of terrorism and then when someone point this out you quickly come to retract you.. hmm to late, you have a big mouth.
I know who you are, you are the kind of person who take his joy by the others suffer.
That doesn’t makes you special, despite your insane narcissism wished to be. unfortunately, the history has brought us other specimens with your similar way of thinkig.
i.e. Hi*ler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong II… among others, sure you see them as “idols”.
I wouldn’t even be surprised if like a little Josef Fritzl (sure you envy him) you have your own daughter locked up in your basement and you “have fun with your friends” by sexual abuse of her while watching movies like Saw which sure makes you get hard.You are a mother nature aberration/outrage and you should has born dead.
I hope nature fix its error soon by giving you a colon cancer.
Now I ask you, which one of us is unbalanced here? Me organizing an event in a game, or someone wishing me cancer.
Discuss.
Sponsored by:
Hulkageddon: don't AFK mine. 
January 2, 2010 at 8:38 pm
I agree…wishing cancer on someone over a game is stupid. As a carebear myelf I cannot ocndoen this BS. (not Battleship) It’s a game man and you have all the tools in EVE to use to defend yourself, organize a defence or pre-emptively strike these folks.
Stop whining and kick their butts
January 2, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Yes it’s true…I cannot spell. **Sigh
ocndoen = condone
January 2, 2010 at 10:19 pm
It’s a pitty someone cannot stand their grond with anything else but angry insults. But if you truely take moral high-ground, take time to realise where this anger comes from and who/what is causing it and do not put him down just because he is angry and lashes out.
January 4, 2010 at 9:34 pm
Lols, you carebear’s don’t get it, you already lost as soon as you cried.
January 3, 2010 at 2:53 am
Man, I’m not on the hulkageddon thing, I’m primarily a miner, but you know what, you guys wanna go mad and blow stuff up, thats cool, at least you got the decency to say this is when it’s gonna happen…..
To compare someone playing an online game as game mechanic allowed type of toon…..to hitler…..I’m sorry……don’t be so stupid. Miners organize mining ops…..granted we don’t generally organize things like ROIDRAGE….but….meh, have fun guys, and congrats to whoever wins the shizzle o/
January 4, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Mental Note Helicity, they are on to us, next time you state when it’s going to happen, let’s just do it the next day. That will keep em guessing. 😛
January 3, 2010 at 3:52 am
ROTF i just love this whole thing folks seem to forget this games major roll is for PVP yes they have highsec but well you can still die there if they didnt want this kind of event going on then you wouldnt beable to lock someone in highsec so just remember this game is PVP at its core… so stop crying and well hunt some dumb full who is still mining that day be a REAL bear and not a fluffly care bear…
January 3, 2010 at 4:10 am
Hell, I figure there will be all these red flashy things in local, that Concorde will want me to shoot.
I’m putting away my hulks, and bringing out the fast locking scramblers…
January 3, 2010 at 4:23 am
The carebear’s tears in that thread are delicious! BOZO approved!
January 3, 2010 at 6:58 am
I, too, hope you get colon cancer.
January 3, 2010 at 7:53 am
ROFL! 😀
January 3, 2010 at 7:20 am
I’m sorry, but lumping this buffoon in with the group ‘carebears’ is just personally insulting. While I, as a rule, am indeed a carebear, I cannot sit quietly while we are cast into the same mold as this…dumbass.
Words quite simply fail me that someone could take a game so seriously that they would compare anyone to RL despots and them wish for them to acquire cancer.
Having had cancer in RL, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. The original poster is obviously not a carebear. They’re a child. A whiny ignorant child who thinks the world should revolve around them.
Someone gank them once for me.
Thanks.
Vel.
January 3, 2010 at 9:29 am
I saw that comment, and as a sometimes semi-afk miner – I was pretty sickened. I lost my uncle to colon cancer. I am arming up my catalyst to ninja salvage and if I happen to be online when one of you tracks down this particular muppet – I’ll be glad to have their stuffz.
I do mine and do other stuff.. I only have a limited amount of time in a day to play… so I’ll take my chances or I’ll do other stuff for a week. Hell I just did that over Xmas/New Year.. no. big. deal.
Note: I used to be a bit like the insulter here – I used to think that every waking minute I wasn’t (semi afk-mining) I would be “losing” income. Then I realised that the beauty if the game is… you can progress at your own speed. A lesson he/she needs to learn, methinks. Especially as their original post also slated manufacturers and traders… all logical strings to add to a Miner’s bow.
January 3, 2010 at 1:31 pm
This is a prime example of someone taking a game way to seriously. If the game mechanics didn’t allow someone to die in high sec to another player, CCP would have done it that way. If someone can’t handle the fact of a semi freedom MMO game, then go play WoW.
And for the cancer thing, that is just awful, and no one should ever have that wished apon them.
I, for being in a industrial corp, highly HIGHLY approve of hulkageddon! Eve Online would suck without creative thinking and the will to do evil!
January 3, 2010 at 6:39 pm
The OP should never have wished cancer on someone, that was just beyond stupidity. Comparing a cartoon pirate to Hitler et al, is ridiculous.
That said, anyone who thinks that it is “fun” making other people miserable, for whatever justification, hardly has room to lay claim to anything like the “moral high ground”.
One word for that… Bully, plain and simple. And the synonym for bully? Coward.
January 6, 2010 at 5:54 pm
My sense of morality generally won’t allow me to knowingly harm another human being. I like to treat others as i would hope to be treated. Apparently my sense or morality has detected that causing someone a simulated loss of virtual possesions in eve online does not disagree with it’s principles. Neither would i expect any other player in game to spare me my virtual control of my virtual possesions in game. Stop using game events to judge the characters of your fellow players. we all have 1 thing in common at least, get on with it.
January 3, 2010 at 8:20 pm
“Moral high ground”? after such a comment made against you, sure. However, you then go on and generalise every single carebear, as if every carebear is like the idiot that insulted and “threatened” you.
Because of such ridicilous claims, neither of you are to be on a moral high ground. The other guy is just lower then you, but both are below ground compared to most people.
I don’t like this whole thing, but i stay neutral. I don’t even know if i’ll notice anything, but regardless you are free to do as you please. If that includes organising ganking events so be it. Just don’t say anything that insults people and claim to be moral.
January 3, 2010 at 9:16 pm
you realize im hyping a bit of course? to make waves for the contest 😉
obviously not every carebear is a douche, but i have noticed in this, and my previous hulkageddon that while pirates may have the reputation of being deranged and violent, it tends to be from within the carebear ranks that the truly messed up shitheads emerge, while the pirates and “villains” end up being unfailingly polite and mostly mature in their responses.
The contrast is jarring and unexpected.
it just seems like the “criminals” treat things much more like a game and have fun, win or lose.
January 6, 2010 at 4:52 pm
“it just seems like the “criminals” treat things much more like a game and have fun, win or lose.”
Ahhhh, yeah sure, you go ahead and keep believing that. They bitch and moan just as loud as their victims much of the time.
Personally, I find it amusing that these people find “release” in attacking unarmed vessels, while the “real” men go after things that can actually fire back at them.
I think that says volumes for who really has the biggest e-peen
January 6, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Here’s my battleclining record: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Helicity+Boson
now show me yours, big mouth.
January 4, 2010 at 12:01 am
All I have to say is… wow. I mean seriously. Like a bunch of others, I “could” be classed as a carebear, but wow. I’d never go to that length. While it’d slightly tick me off if I lost something so expensive… I’d not flip out anywhere near as much as this person did.
In my opinion, if you don’t want to lose something like this… use common sense. Don’t mine during hulkageddon or simply use some smarts when doing it. Stay out of popularly visited systems. It doesn’t take a genius.
January 4, 2010 at 9:38 pm
what’s with all the “carebears” not wanting to be labeled “carebears”, something wrong with being a “carebear”? Ya “carebears”.
Be proud, live loud. Let everyone know you are a Carebear!!!
January 4, 2010 at 2:01 am
The fact that someone wishes cancer on you doesn’t actually give you cancer, neither does it change your likelihood of you getting cancer one bit. There’s really no issue here, other than the fact that this individual has overreacted. Don’t be trying to gain sympathy from nothing.
Now the issue of why you would want to go out and kill hulks minding their own business is something else altogether. Simply put, you’re a griefer. Now in eve, griefing might be like a good thing, it’s badass. But actually, it’s quite pathetic. The only reason you do it in game, and not in RL is because you don’t have the balls to do it in RL.
Either way, bring your hulkageddon to cat, I know there’s atleast 1 macro miner there. And that’s where I am too, with hulks and an orca.
January 4, 2010 at 6:28 am
what because in RL you’d beat me up? Internet toughguy detected.
January 4, 2010 at 7:24 am
Internet toughguy? What happened to your logic circuits mate? I never said I’d do anything to you in RL. You’re the internet toughguy, you’re the one killing helpless hulks in eve (the internet)
January 4, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Holy crap those tears tasted good. Reason we want to go out and kill helpless hulks in hi sec is because we can’t extort you quick enough due to Concord.
I mean really, how silly.
January 4, 2010 at 10:05 pm
No Hulk I wasn’t smacking you, your crazy little blog here put my reply in the wrong spot.
For the record, this is for ngdgt
January 4, 2010 at 5:47 am
Moral high ground? I don’t see ANY of that on either side of this event, for the most part. This may be a planned GAME event, but it’s still terrorist style-action.
On the other hand, it IS a game – some of the responses have been quite a bit overboard.
IMO, as a proud carebare LIVE miner, budding manufacturer/researcher, and leader of a fleet of live miners, I think the only good reponse is – team up with MacroIntel and target the REAL scum, the MACRO minerbots and missionbots. That way, you get to have the fun of blowing up stuff while us LIVE hard-working miners actually might applaud your terrorist acts.
9-)
January 4, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Oh IC, you would clap if we killed the ‘other’ guy. Boooooooo, same on you.
January 4, 2010 at 6:52 am
You won’t understand until somebody sends you a message saying that they gonna come into your house, burn out all electronics and will advertise damage done to your property + laugh at your disability to do something. If it happens – only then you’ll propably take other’s people time and effort with some respect and understanding. Unless you’re dumbass and will revenge to even your grandchildren.
As of now, you’re just making fun by taking away what others worked hard for. This is making you an asshole. No offense, but it is your choice. With these points of view – you’d always be rejected by normal societies, except psycho clinics, prisons and other masochists.
Yea, it’s a game. But whenever you spend time and effort on something – it becomes valuable. And when it’s valuable for someone – you find it funny to destroy it.
If you wanna be an asshole/bandit in a Game, then it means that you are predisposed to act the same way in real life. EVE actually can be sued for allowing people to realize their criminal ideas in virtual sector as it’s truly has some consequences in real one.
Besides, if a person is a human naturally – he’s a human everywhere, in any game, in any joke and so on. You aren’t one of them. The only way to understand this, is to loose something really valuable for you, get laughed at and so on. But i’m afraid if you suffer this, you gonna get more angry and will revenge. So the more you protect your point of view – the more clear it gets that you have psychological anomaly. Why? Because no other creature in the universe do not harm and insult other because of FUN. Yeah, you got it right. Your “views” are lower than animals’.
January 4, 2010 at 7:10 am
“If you wanna be an asshole/bandit in a Game, then it means that you are predisposed to act the same way in real life. EVE actually can be sued for allowing people to realize their criminal ideas in virtual sector as it’s truly has some consequences in real one.”
Are you fucking retarded you mouth-breather? if you dropped your wallet IRL, I’d hand it back to you with the money still in it.
Just because *you* cannot distinguish between game and reality does not mean we are all developmentally handicapped like you.
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January 4, 2010 at 9:44 pm
LOLS WTF? “mouth-breather” made me pee my pants a little. Justme, tell your Mom to get a few law books for the basement, you need to read up. Better yet, just have her drop off those pretty piktur buks.
January 6, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Insulting people for killing you in game is like falling out with a friend for beating you at a game of chess. you entered yourself in the game last time you paid your subscription, just like you enter a game of chess. So before you pay it next time, think about the possibilities that may occur during the next month or so, then, if they seem bearable, harden the fuck up, congratulate whoever has bested you, and learn from it.
January 4, 2010 at 7:37 am
Ah yeah. One more thing. You do know there are people who *take game seriously*. But when you DO KNOW that you remain selfish and hunt for you own fun, ignoring the fact that some can really suffer form your deeds. You just don’t care about those “retards”.
And you say you “hand it back to you with money still in it” – it’s pretty hard to believe. However, I’m not saying that this is not true. You may. But now you’re doing a good job showing off your hidden desires, that you keep deep inside of you and reveal them in game.
January 4, 2010 at 7:43 am
I think you are seriously delusional and incapable from separating a game from reality. There are people that can help you with that, I strongly recommend that you seek their professional help.
In fact, let me recommend you go talk to your minister, since you are pretty religious judging from the fake email address you put in the email field.
Maybe he can help you come to terms with what is a game and what is real life.
January 4, 2010 at 8:40 am
You know what’s sad mate? That the majority of people on this site actually find the hulkageddon a morally deficient event.
And while your ingame behavior may not resemble your RL behavior, many psychologists will agree that your ingame behavior is reflection of your true RL character. See in RL you suppress it because of social norms, you may return the wallet because you know that others are watching. Maybe you want to claim that it’s an empty basement parking lot, and you were the only 2 people there, but you’d still return it. Still, that would only mean that you’ve developed the virtue of not being a thief, it doesn’t mean that your actual subconscious character is honest (non thieving).
Unfortunately the internet is quite new, it will take a few generations before people start to develop virtues for while they’re online. In the meanwhile our online actions will continue to reflect our true characters. If you say this is a bogus claim, the least you can do is try and explain where this griefing behavior comes from. It has to come from somewhere, and for some reason.
If you claim that suicide ganking doesn’t actually cause RL grief, you would be quite wrong. Hulk prices are skyrocketing now, with serious mission running and major mining, it can still take up to a week to make the money for a hulk (a Rl week), so try and deny it all you want, but you’re actually trying to destroy RL investments.
If you’re going to claim that you only want to take out the macro miners, then let it be known that there are many, many people who mine legitimately. And you can’t use the fact that they step away from their computers once in a while to justify ganking them. It takes 9-12 minutes for the average Hulk cargohold to fill up, and you can’t expect people to just sit there twirling their ships in space. I even go afk when doing L4 missions, I set my drones and missiles on a target and switch to other windows (I play in windowed mode).
You said something like ‘it’s not my fault CCP made mining boring’ somewhere on here. What kind of twisted ass logic is that mate? That would imply that you not ganking is in some way a punishment to you. It’s the other way around, it’s not the miner’s fault that CCP made mining boring, so they’re not at fault for alt tabbing out, or leaving the computer for those 9 to 12 minutes.
But, of course you’ll hide behind ‘game mechanics’ and ‘that’s how CCP made it’, and all.
Just know that if you can’t find a good response to any of this, and you just scratch your head and go ‘fuck it, I’m going to gank anyway’, then the possibility that you’re just wrong is very real.
January 4, 2010 at 9:24 am
Im very aware that suicide ganking causes RL grief, I’m also aware that many players have a false sense of entitledment towards “mining in safety” which is simply not how the game is designed to be played.
Im making a tremendous amount of hype over numerous medium, I’m *clearly* stating when this event will take place, I’m telling people WHAT TO DO to avoid it. Anyone that still gets ganked at this point is, in my humble opinion, pretty bad at playing this PVP game. Maybe next time they will know better.
This is the sort of game EVE is, it’s a PVP game, every time you undock a ship there is a chance it will get blown up one way or another. If people cannot deal with that, there’s nothing wrong with that, BUT they should probably not be playing EVE.
If you think that organizing this event somehow reflects on my real life persona, you’d be pretty off-base, I regularly go above and beyond what is required to help people, sometimes at great cost to my person.
You also did not consider that maybe there are also a whole lot of people for whom this event is going to be enjoyable, and it makes them happy that something like this exists.
If you want to analyse the whole thing, be my guest, but then at least have the decency to not do it in such a lopsided and biased way, your personal opinion is clouding your view.
Obviously it is easy to villify me, question -my- personal judgment and persona, but the reality is, you have no idea who I am or what I am like in person. And they are two very distinct things.
I’m not a bad guy, but I roleplay one in EVE. And I happen to be very good at it.
Does not mean I knock over the 7/11 on the weekends, or even contemplate doing such things.
The argument that video game behaviour somehow represents what a person is like is a false one, and no actual, factual link between the two has EVER been proven empirically, and many psychologists DO NOT agree with it AT ALL.
In short, you are pulling “facts” out of your ass, and nobody is taking you seriously.
January 4, 2010 at 9:28 am
I say if you play on a pvp server, or EvE-online, you should know the rules. You all know high-sec isn’t 100% safe, so when something bad happens, you have no right to complain about it. I lost 700 mil to a damn price scam last month..thats life.
I used to grief people in previous games, and the carebears(anti-pks) would cry and cry. I’ve been called names, cursed, and had people wish me a slow death. I could never figure out why they chose to play on a pvp server if they didn’t want or at least expect non-consensual combat.
I don’t beat people up in RL, I’ve given back wallets with everything still inside, and I hold the door for old ladies. Its just a game. A game with rules, which we have all reviewed, and submitted out approval to play by.
January 6, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Just shhhhhhhh and stop for a moment. Here’s the deal, it’s a game. The rules allow for your – isk/rl sub money/ships, whatever you want to equate it to – to be taken from you, just like for instance in a wager. You win money in your style by selling the items you produce, we get isk in a different fashion but still it comes from other players, as does yours. We all play by the rules, every single eve player who doesnt exploit plays by the rules, pirate or not, since the rules cannot be broken, and the most important thing is that EVERYBODY AGREED TO THE RULES. If anyone is to blame for any hurt that you can’t cope with resulting from your eve playing, it’s you for agreeing to rules you cannot accept. What you are doing is exactly the same as telling a stranger that he can keep all your money if he can manage to get it out of your hand before you close it, then calling him a thief and a liar and a bastard and a cruel, vindictive, unfair, sociopath when he rises to your challenge.
January 12, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Actually its more like stealing from someone in a society where stealing isn’t against the law.
It may be legal, but its still wrong.
January 12, 2010 at 2:57 pm
I suggest you re-read what you just wrote, because it’s a tremendously idiotic thing to say.
You are presenting a society where stealing is not illegal and then applying YOUR SUBJECTIVE MORAL VALUES to it.
hint: you just applied the morals of a society where stealing IS wrong to a society where it is not.
January 4, 2010 at 10:03 am
This is probably the most entertaining ingame event I have ever come across and I am a miner! Having said that the reactions it has prompted are far, far more entertaining!
If people don’t like it then as said before except the challenge and defend yourselves! Enjoy that fact you are playing in a game the allows this sort of behaviour to occur and isn’t oppressed by restrcitive rules. If you don’t like it then find a game with non pvp servers and farm gold in the 100% knowledge that no one can interupt you.
January 4, 2010 at 12:48 pm
I get all that, ‘it’s the way the game is, It just is.’ But see, that still doesn’t explain where the desire to cause online grief comes from. And the desire to cause online grief after knowing that it does indeed cause RL grief oftentimes. You can’t just disagree and be done with it mate, you have to try to explain it. (where the desire comes from, and why)
If you want to say it’s cos ganking is fun, you’re conveniently forgetting 2 things. It’s only fun for the ganker, so the ganker has fun at the gankee’s expense. Secondly, the very reason it’s fun. See, you have to explore a bit deeper. Why is it fun? Is it fun because the gankee experiences grief? Is it fun because you like shooting things?
‘Im very aware that suicide ganking causes RL grief, I’m also aware that many players have a false sense of entitledment towards “mining in safety” which is simply not how the game is designed to be played.’
This is broken logic, the one and only reason they aren’t 100% safe while mining in empire (without wardecs) is because of gankers. So if the sense of security is false, it’s because of gankers, nothing else. Game mechanics don’t just allow for ganking, they allow for peaceful gameplay also. Eve online allows for both types of gameplay, the fact that miners and others aren’t safe in empire is actually a testament to the moral deficiency of some of the players. (like yourselves)
The whole ‘eve is a PVP game’ is a delusion. The game mechanics allow PVP, yes. But let’s be honest, a vast majority of players live in empire space and do not engage in PVP very often. And the ones that live in 0.0 also say that 0.0 is safer than empire. (although those players do enjoy pvp more often)
The claim that any time you take a ship out you know there’s a possibility it will be blown up is also bogus. (there is a possibility, but it is too small to be even worth giving a thought.) This may be true for smaller, less sturdy ships. But when I take any of my battleships out in empire, I know they’re coming back in one piece. They’re more likely to be killed by rats than by other players. Unless you have war decs or killrights on you of course, but miners usually don’t. And again, the only reason for this lack of security is gankers.
‘Im making a tremendous amount of hype over numerous medium, I’m *clearly* stating when this event will take place, I’m telling people WHAT TO DO to avoid it. Anyone that still gets ganked at this point is, in my humble opinion, pretty bad at playing this PVP game. Maybe next time they will know better.’
This is a lie. But to be fair to you, you yourself probably aren’t aware of it. There is an internal contradiction in setting up a hulkageddon and then telling people how and when to avoid it. Cos that defeats the purpose of the whole thing. Are you seeing it now? Actually, You’re not telling people how and when to avoid it, you’re only telling the people who see your posts how and when to avoid it. There are many legitimate miners that will never know about hulkageddon, or your website.
‘Obviously it is easy to villify me, question -my- personal judgment and persona, but the reality is, you have no idea who I am or what I am like in person. And they are two very distinct things.’
At least I know that you, being aware that your event will cause RL grief, are still going ahead with it. Trust me, that tells me a lot about you.
‘The argument that video game behaviour somehow represents what a person is like is a false one, and no actual, factual link between the two has EVER been proven empirically, and many psychologists DO NOT agree with it AT ALL.’
Find me one psychology paper that agrees with your view on this, that online actions have no connection whatsoever to the true self. Here’s some stuff I could find on the issue.
http://www.enotalone.com/article/2454.html (written by a psychologist)
http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-02/mf_goons?currentPage=1 (page 4 is where you’re really going to get bitch slapped on this one)
Or search google for online disinhibition effect. It’s called the disinhibition effect because there is a removal of inhibition. Inhibitions which hold back what? The true self. You’re losing this battle mate. Just quit and agree that you’re slightly deficient, morally speaking. Even though you may not know it.(the reason you don’t know it is because you haven’t looked into yourself deeper, you have to examine your online actions and see what causes them)
I know you’re not going to change your mind, I don’t want you to. Hulkageddon isn’t going to affect my corp. We bought about a 140 hulks before dominion, we were going to sell it, but when I heard about this event, I decided to keep some, in case some of our members lose hulks. My only motivation to write all this stuff out is to make absolutely sure you don’t get away with claiming the ‘moral high ground’ here. Cos you don’t have it.
One thing I would urge you to do before replying is to try and explain where the urge to gank comes from, and why. If you can’t do that you really don’t have any footing in this argument. Know that if you say it’s coming from the fact that the gankers will enjoy it, you’ve already lost the moral argument, because it’s still at the expense of others.
January 4, 2010 at 1:53 pm
nvm I figured it out, your reply got snagged by the spam filter. I’ve restored it for you.
January 4, 2010 at 1:54 pm
and in reply to your post, which is so long I really can’t be arsed to read it, you’re an overzealous, oversensitive little pissant, and you need to go play World of Warcraft.
This game is CLEARLY not suited for you.
What *I* would like to know, is why *I* should have to justify *anything* to *you*.
Because I really don’t, you can read into whatever I do as much as you like.
In my mind “I am having fun in an internet spaceship game” is all it will ever be.
I am comfortable with this, and I am secure in the knowledge I’m not a dangerously unhinged individual in real life.
People like you, that post gigantic walls of text and question the morality of EVERYONE but themselves are indeed a great evil in society, you are projecting, and you need to stop it.
January 4, 2010 at 2:00 pm
tl;dr, More Tears
January 4, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Well, it needed to be a giant wall of text to try and explain my position.
No one said anything about you being unhinged in RL. I was merely pointing out the fact that there is no way to claim any moral high ground when you’re a ganker.
We’ve all got our flaws (ingame and in RL), me too. The difference is I don’t hide behind game mechanics.
January 4, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Except, I don’t wish people cancer or compare them to dictators that gassed 6 million jews.
That is an incredibly low standard, and indicative of a severe inability to distinguish between a game and reality.
There is no defendable position for that sort of behaviour at all. But im fairly sure you agree with that.
January 4, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Yes, hoping someone gets cancer is a little deviant. And if this individual actually (in RL) wants you to get cancer I think he needs to do some serious self-examination.
But you really do not have to worry, neither does anyone else. Cos like I said, the whole world can wish cancer on you, it’s not going to change the probability of you getting cancer one bit.
January 4, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Sorry to everyone else for the wall of text, but it must be done.
@ ngdgc:
I didn’t want to do this. I really didn’t. But you leave me no choice.
1) “I don’t believe your well enough versed in some of the issues needed for me to explain how off topic you are.”
– What you believe about my level of education is irrelevant. All you have accomplished here is to avoid defending yourself against what I have indicated.
2) “So to make it simple, what you got to do is find any (ANY SINGLE 1) psychology paper that suggests people’s online actions are completely independent from the true self. That really is all you got to do. But you won;t find such a paper.”
– No, I really don’t. You apparently misunderstand due scientific process. A hypothesis is developed (e.g. that people act in video games the way they would like to act in real life, as you are ultimately claiming), and then rigorously tested. These tests are attempts to disprove said hypothesis. Finding “ANY SINGLE 1” psychology paper that “suggests people’s online actions are completely independent from their true self” is both terribly worded and impossible. How, exactly, would such a test be administered? Monitor people’s online video game play and then have them take rigorous psychological batteries to determine their “true self”? You are correct in saying that there are studies suggesting that the perceived anonymity factor allowed by the internet often lowers the inhibitions of internet users, but beyond that there is no credible empirical data to link people’s nature with their internet usage.
3) “As a matter of fact, when the online disinhibition effect is studied and discussed, it is just assumed that online actions are just an extension of the true self. It is so thoroughly established that they don’t even bother saying 2 lines about it anymore.”
– “Just assumed” by whom? You? Who is “they”? Someone you know? Because you have already demonstrated your lack of understanding of the issue. Have you ever read a psychology paper? Or any scientific paper that wasn’t cut down to the basics for the public eye? Almost nothing is “just assumed”. Ever. Everything needs a reference, or the paper holds no weight. Oftentimes the list of sources for a paper is longer than the paper itself. Don’t believe me? Go to a university and pull out a research paper or thesis, or to make things easier, Google search for articles out of an established journal. (I would recommend the Journal of Applied Psychology as you seem to be passionate about the field.)
4) “Please at least read up on issues before making yourself look like an idiot.”
– I will reserve comment on this until you have read a *real* psychology article or paper, instead of a Wired.com article about online griefing.
5) “A good place to start would be the difference between the subconscious self and the conscious self. Then read a little philosophy on the development of virtues.”
– Do not bore me with your Id, Ego, and Superego speech. Every university student that has sat through a 500-person PSYCH 100 class can pretend to know all about how the subconscious affects our conscious behavior, and so on and so forth. Philosophy, likewise, is about as scientific a field as emo poetry. The development of virtues, as you put it, has little to do with the current topic which I believe was originally that Hulkageddon participants have some deep-down desire to cause other people pain and suffering IRL, but only act on it in-game, and that all their justification for Hulkageddon is just a load of crap to make them not look as bad.
Yes, I read your goddamn wall of text. I didn’t want to pick your argument apart piece by piece, but the incredible ignorance of your response to my earlier post has changed my mind.
1) “I get all that, ‘it’s the way the game is, It just is.’ But see, that still doesn’t explain where the desire to cause online grief comes from. And the desire to cause online grief after knowing that it does indeed cause RL grief oftentimes. You can’t just disagree and be done with it mate, you have to try to explain it. (where the desire comes from, and why)”
– Why do they have to explain it? And to whom? You? Why? Let’s ignore the fact that you very clearly do not “get all that” and move on.
2) “If you want to say it’s cos ganking is fun, you’re conveniently forgetting 2 things. It’s only fun for the ganker, so the ganker has fun at the gankee’s expense. Secondly, the very reason it’s fun. See, you have to explore a bit deeper. Why is it fun? Is it fun because the gankee experiences grief? Is it fun because you like shooting things?”
– I am a miner. I have never ganked anyone. I find the possibility of being suicide ganked adds a lot of excitement to a profession that is extremely boring to anyone who actually remains at their keyboard for the duration. So while getting destroyed isn’t necessarily fun, the potential for getting destroyed *does* make the rest of the game more fun. Also, why is skateboarding fun? Or riding a bike? Or having sex? Until you can define what about all of your preferred activities is fun, you cannot judge anyone else’s preferred activities, or their motivations.
3) “This is broken logic, the one and only reason they aren’t 100% safe while mining in empire (without wardecs) is because of gankers. So if the sense of security is false, it’s because of gankers, nothing else. Game mechanics don’t just allow for ganking, they allow for peaceful gameplay also. Eve online allows for both types of gameplay, the fact that miners and others aren’t safe in empire is actually a testament to the moral deficiency of some of the players. (like yourselves)”
– Very good, sort of. EvE does allow for either violent or peaceful gameplay. It appears that the *design of the game* was to allow players to make their own choices about how to progress. CCP has also stated countless times that *nowhere* is intended to be “safe”. The potential for being killed is *everywhere* by design. If Empire space were meant to be peaceful then the game mechanics would reflect this. As it stands, your statement only makes you appear narrow-minded about styles of play. The fact that miners and others aren’t safe in Empire isn’t testament to anyone’s “moral deficiency”, it is testament to the intended sandbox nature of the game.
4) “The whole ‘eve is a PVP game’ is a delusion. The game mechanics allow PVP, yes. But let’s be honest, a vast majority of players live in empire space and do not engage in PVP very often. And the ones that live in 0.0 also say that 0.0 is safer than empire. (although those players do enjoy pvp more often)”
– Wrong. Very wrong. EvE *is* a PvP game, because the designers have created it to be such. PvP, for the record, does not only refer to blowing up each others’ ships. Price undercutting on the market, trading, competitive manufacturing and shipping, and mining are all forms of PvP. Very few players can avoid engaging in some aspect of PvP as the only way to do so would be to find a system with nobody else in it, only travel as necessary to kill rats for missions, mine only in entirely empty asteroid belts, never use the market to sell anything, and only buy NPC products (as determined by sell order expiration date). The game mechanics don’t just “allow” PvP, they *strongly encourage* PvP in all respects, including ship-to-ship combat. Unless you seriously think that so many of the largest corporations in the game engage in PvP purely by accident or because that many players are subconsciously violent people.
5) “The claim that any time you take a ship out you know there’s a possibility it will be blown up is also bogus. (there is a possibility, but it is too small to be even worth giving a thought.) This may be true for smaller, less sturdy ships. But when I take any of my battleships out in empire, I know they’re coming back in one piece. They’re more likely to be killed by rats than by other players. Unless you have war decs or killrights on you of course, but miners usually don’t. And again, the only reason for this lack of security is gankers.”
– Your first two sentences are contradictory. There is a possibility. Period. Whether that possibility is large or small is irrelevant. If you play the game wisely, regardless of your ship size or strength, that possibility is very minor. If you play it foolishly, no amount of armor or firepower will save you. You never “know” they’re coming back in one piece. That’s part of the intent behind EvE’s design. You can be *relatively confident*, but to claim that you’re 100% certain you won’t be killed is an exercise in unnecessary bravado. You cannot be certain of anything – that’s a large part of the beauty of EvE as opposed to many other MMO games such as the oft-derided WoW. Also, if suicide gankers didn’t exist, large parts of Empire space would become essentially danger-free for everyone, destroying a very specific feature that CCP has spent years balancing and trying to maintain.
6) “This is a lie. But to be fair to you, you yourself probably aren’t aware of it. There is an internal contradiction in setting up a hulkageddon and then telling people how and when to avoid it. Cos that defeats the purpose of the whole thing. Are you seeing it now? Actually, You’re not telling people how and when to avoid it, you’re only telling the people who see your posts how and when to avoid it. There are many legitimate miners that will never know about hulkageddon, or your website.”
– It is rather well-known (not universally, mind you, but near enough among players old enough to be significantly impacted by Hulkageddon) that the EVE Insider forums are the place to keep up-to-date with many issues relating to EvE. While not everyone reads the forums, many do. Announcing Hulkageddon on the forums exposes the event to precisely the same number of people as announcing ways to avoid being ganked (which are given in great quantity by several forum members, including myself) during the event. Announcing the start and end dates, as well as the ship types that will be targeted and ways to prevent having your ship destroyed if you choose to fly one of the targeted ships during the event, is far more than most would do. To those not stubbornly against ganking in all its forms, it is very clear that Helicity is trying to organize a fun event for all participants, but also understands that those on the receiving end of the destruction are players too, and deserve respect. Those players who refuse to adapt to the situation (even by so little as staying at their keyboard while they mine) have themselves to blame for any lost ships as much as the Hulkageddon crew. EvE is a game about adaptation as much as it is about PvP or any other idea. This is also the quote that I was referring to when I said “never try to psychoanalyze anyone online ever again”. To think that you know the thoughts of another person based solely on what you’ve read in a few posts (both in and out of character) on an online forum, better even than they do themselves, is supremely arrogant.
7) “At least I know that you, being aware that your event will cause RL grief, are still going ahead with it. Trust me, that tells me a lot about you.”
– No, it doesn’t. Not very much at all, in fact. The “RPG” part of “MMORPG”, for the unaware, stands for “role-playing game”. As in, Helicity is playing the role of event coordinator for pirates. Many of those involved are playing the role of pirate, though in real life they may be hospice care workers, doctors, firefighters, schoolteachers, or any other distinctly non-piratey profession. Or they could be real pirates IRL. The fact of the matter is, the only clues you truly have to suggest another person’s IRL character is the way they type. I, for example, could be a long-winded sixteen-year-old high schooler (I’m not), or a seventy-five-year-old retired physician with two Ph.Ds (I’m not). The only way to guess would be by my typing ability and choice of words, which is easy enough to fake for many people. So no, you really have no idea what Helicity or any of the Hulkageddon participants (or miners, for that matter) are like IRL, no matter how much you convince yourself otherwise. Be reassured, though: none of them know any more about you than you do about them.
8) “Find me one psychology paper that agrees with your view on this, that online actions have no connection whatsoever to the true self. Here’s some stuff I could find on the issue.”
– I’ve already pointed out the inadequacy of this argument. When you can prove to me definitively that anything is impossible, I’ll start looking for your paper proving that online actions have no connection whatsoever to “the true self”. And I won’t be scraping stuff from Wired Magazine or “eNotAlone”.
9) “You’re losing this battle mate. Just quit and agree that you’re slightly deficient, morally speaking. Even though you may not know it.(the reason you don’t know it is because you haven’t looked into yourself deeper, you have to examine your online actions and see what causes them)”
– No, I’m afraid this isn’t a battle that can be “lost” by either side. It is, and will remain, a permanent draw. Why? Because from your over-the-top arrogant quote “Just quit and agree that you’re slightly deficient, morally speaking” it becomes apparent that you will ignore any and all reason brought to bear against you. You aren’t fighting a battle in this case, you are sitting in the middle of a room full of people who disagree with you, plugging your ears, squeezing your eyes shut and singing “LA LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU”, and it appears that in your mind this is equivalent to winning a debate. You insist that Helicity “agree” with you but have not, to date, given any actual evidence to support your case (which appears to be that Helicity and/or Hulkageddon participants are morally deficient – correct me if I misunderstand this). I can assure you, on the other hand, that if you come up with evidence (that is, *real* evidence) of Helicity’s moral deficiency, I will retract all of my statements to the contrary and reconsider my position. But I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
10) “My only motivation to write all this stuff out is to make absolutely sure you don’t get away with claiming the ‘moral high ground’ here. Cos you don’t have it.”
– I believe you have confused in-game shenanigans with IRL malice. No, wishing cancer on someone is not some kind of voodoo curse that might actually make them get it. Nobody thinks Helicity is going to die of colon cancer, really. The source of the “moral high ground” (which I don’t see Helicity claiming anywhere, to begin with) is merely that anyone who would truly wish cancer on someone over a *video game* is very clearly far more disturbed and psychologically aberrant than people who would destroy someone’s internet video game spaceship for fun. Whether or not the cancer-wishing has any effect is totally irrelevant. The mere fact that someone would wish IRL disease and/or death on someone else over the events of a computer game, no matter how horrible the game events (quite frankly, two weeks’ warning and plenty of advice on how not to lose their ship is hardly that horrible anyway) puts Helicity several levels above the cancer-wishing individual.
On a more direct note, I find your “you should examine your motivations for [action]” and “do some serious self-examination” to be extremely pompous and self-righteous. The tone and content of your posts suggest to me that you have a very high opinion of yourself (and who doesn’t), and this would be perfectly normal except that you insist on belaboring others in an effort to get them to admit their inferiority (or “moral deficiency”) in light of your perfection. It also appears that any research beyond a ten-second Google search for “disinhibition effect” is beyond your scope.
And for the record, my motivations for posting this are, firstly, because of your pathetic “I’m too good to respond to you, I’ll just give some vague suggestion that you’re unintelligent and hope you go away” response to my previous post, and because I hate seeing holier-than-thou assholes like you standing on soapboxes and preaching about how everyone who disagrees with you is somehow inferior (or “deficient” as you so eloquently put it). Also, I take a guilty pleasure in knocking people who make false claims (in this case, your supposedly vast knowledge of psychology) from their pedestals, so that everyone they’ve been trying to impress can see that they are full of it, and laugh. Call me malicious, or deviant, or morally deficient if you will, but *don’t* try to get away with spouting bullshit where I can read it.
January 4, 2010 at 8:38 pm
EDIT: I must have missed Helicity’s original statement regarding the moral high ground. In this I stand corrected. However, my argument remains valid. I have already explained from whence the moral high ground comes in Helicity’s case. (See point #10, above.)
January 4, 2010 at 8:53 pm
http://www.enotalone.com/article/2454.html
Pwnt.
January 4, 2010 at 9:06 pm
Reposting a link to a half-page article (that cites no sources and doesn’t support your argument to begin with) in no way “pwns” anyone. Try actually reading my reply and if you have anything to say after that then feel free to do so.
January 4, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Just in case you’re not just arguing for the sake or arguing, and have managed to rationalize your beliefs, Let me try and explain what you’re saying here. What you’re saying is that the desire to gank (and cause RL grief to some), comes from somewhere other than within yourself? Is this what you’re saying? After reading some of your stuff, I believe you actually believe this.
Don’t delude yourself mate. The website may be enotalone or whatever crap, it’s just the website the article happens to be on. Don’t use that as an excuse to dismiss the who article, the author is a published psychologist.
And to prove something is impossible is quite easy. Say we have an empty swimming pool, and a pipe filling it with water. Now we want to prove that the pool cannot be filled in a day. So we take the volume of the pool, let’s say this is 150k gallons, and the rate at which it is filling, this is 3k gallons per hour, so we do the math and see that in a day there will only be 72K gallons in the pool. So we decide to try and increase the rate of water flow, but the moment the rate exceeds 6 gallons/hour the pipe bursts. And at 6 gallons/hour the pool will only have 144K gallons in a day. So we have proved that it is impossible to fill the pool in a day with that pipe, simple? Now get searching.
And the claim that I see my self as better than the rest of you is bogus. I said i have my flaws. The difference between my and you, as I put it earlier, is that I don’t hide behind ‘game mechanics’. If I gank someone, I’m not going to claim I did it cos ‘game mechanics allow it’ that’s not really an explanation, it’s just how it was done, not why it was done.
Just in case you still want to try beating around the bushes, I’ll give you a very simple, yet rock solid argument, you should at least try to find the error in this before trying again.
You know ganking will cause RL grief to innocent miners, yet you continue with the hulkageddon, therefore you are willing to cause innocent miners RL grief, and if you’re willing to cause innocent miners RL grief, you are morally deficient.
If the last part is hard to swallow, it’s because internet briefing is so common that people don’t actually see it as a moral issue, but quite honestly it is, or you’ll have to explain why it’s not, if you want so claim that.
Please don’t try to divert attention here by claiming that I think I’m better than you, I’m deviant in many ways too, but I accept it.
January 4, 2010 at 10:05 pm
It’s not a half page article, it’s 10 pages long, you would have know that if you reached the bottom of the first page.
January 4, 2010 at 10:25 pm
And to claim the article doesn’t support my view is absolute nonsense.
My point here is that what we online is an actual reflection of who we really are. and the article says
“users often describe how their computer is an extension of their mind and personality – a “space” that reflects their tastes, attitudes, and interests. In psychoanalytic terms, computers and cyberspace may become a type of “transitional space” that is an extension of the individual’s intrapsychic world.”
which support exactly that. The difference being these individuals aren’t online busy griefing, so they have no problems accepting that that their online character is an extention of their real character.
‘Under ideal conditions, people use this as an opportunity to better understand themselves, as a path for exploring their identity as it engages the identity of other people. Under less than optimal conditions, people use this psychological space to simply vent or act out their fantasies and the frustrations, anxieties, and desires that fuel those fantasies.’
‘As an internet traveller once told me, “Everywhere I go on the internet, I keep running into…… ME!” ‘
Seriously, claiming the article doesn’t support my view and hoping everyone who reads it is going to believe you is shameful.
January 4, 2010 at 10:29 pm
not to be a party pooper here boys, but can you maybe move this to a forum thread somewhere or something?
The blog comment system is not really built for your giant walls of text or more than 2 replies to a comment etc.
i’d appreciate it.
January 4, 2010 at 10:05 pm
You got a gold star for 5th place when you were a kid, didn’t you?
January 4, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Innocent miners? Innocent of what? You believe they should have no risk for their reward?
January 4, 2010 at 10:32 pm
Innocent of the crime of macro mining. The risk is completely player generated, if there were no gankers there would be no risk. And find one good reason why innocent miners should be subject to any risk at all, given that whether or not they risk getting ganked is completely up to the players of EVE, there is no other factor.
January 4, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Maybe you’re right, maybe they don’t need any risk. After all, they are doing the most boring thing in the game..that could be their risk…risk of boredom!
Anyway, party pooper is right, this should move to a forum. I won’t post anymore. You know what they say about internet arguments.
January 4, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Allow me to rescind my previous statement about the article’s length and content. I was unaware that those plain-blue-text links on the right were actually further pages of the same article, since good web design dictates that a multi-page piece should have “Next” and “Previous” pages, or at least numbered pages. I thought they were a “related” list or automatically-generated Google ads. I will read the article and get back to you if my argument changes, but as Helicity has requested, on some other forum. I’d recommend the EVE Insider forums but that would devolve even faster than this has. It may be more productive in the long run for us to simply agree to disagree on this issue, as neither of us appears convinced by one another’s arguments.
Also you could have saved yourself the trouble of the pool example by simply stating if X=1 then it is impossible that X=2, therefore something is impossible. However I wasn’t talking about basic mathematics as you likely are aware, and so will summarize by saying by “impossible” I mean something that cannot be done by any means. There are unlimited things which are impossible by the means at hand but can be accomplished by some means. For example I cannot lift a city bus with my arms alone but the bus can be lifted by a large helicopter.
If you wish to continue the debate elsewhere, I am open to suggestions but thus far have seen nothing to convince me that so many people are “morally deficient” except in the eyes of those who believe themselves superior. (And if you don’t believe yourself superior, then why are you bashing the Hulkageddon players? If you’re no better than they are then work on self-improvement first. Hiding behind a screenname is no different from hiding behind game mechanics.)
Sorry Helicity, for the terrible hijack. It’s not usually in my nature.
January 8, 2010 at 4:08 am
“I was merely pointing out the fact that there is no way to claim any moral high ground when you’re a ganker.”
Did you see how the ganked person reacted, that’s the fucking moral low ground mate.
January 4, 2010 at 10:44 pm
“you know ganking will cause RL grief to innocent miners, yet you continue with the hulkageddon, therefore you are willing to cause innocent miners RL grief, and if you’re willing to cause innocent miners RL grief, you are morally deficient.”
You just argued for the abolishing of all video games on the basis of if someone is sad in real life for losing. YOu are right your logic is solid, yet lame. For it to be solid it has to be applied not just to EVE. Hey, this guy just stole Christmas from us!!!!!
Give it up.
The reason CCP didn’t just created a game called EVE: Miner’s Gone Wild, is because it would be boring for a majority of people. Fight back if you don’t like it, or continue to take it, your choice.
January 4, 2010 at 9:56 pm
You single? 😛
January 7, 2010 at 3:50 pm
@ MostPsycologists
Mate, I wouldnt bother even responding to this idiot. If he is so unintellegant as to talk out of his arse about things that are clearly beyong his mental capaceity, then he certainly will not understand the principles of scientific processes.
January 6, 2010 at 7:21 pm
Did you just question whether or not someone’s behaviour in the game (consisting of rules that everyone has accepted) was indicative of their personality outside of that game domain? Or am i mistaken? i think you did though. time to stop posting ngdgt 🙂
January 6, 2010 at 7:22 pm
ngdgt “Yes, hoping someone gets cancer is a little deviant. And if this individual actually (in RL) wants you to get cancer I think he needs to do some serious self-examination.”
Did you just question whether or not someone’s behaviour in the game (consisting of rules that everyone has accepted) was indicative of their personality outside of that game domain? Or am i mistaken? i think you did though. time to stop posting ngdgt 🙂
January 4, 2010 at 2:34 pm
@ngdgt:
You, sir, are a fucking moron.
“Most psychologists” have established that while for some people, video games provide a release of otherwise pent-up aggression and other emotions, in the vast majority (read: all but the most extremely abnormal) of cases, people play video games as a break from reality rather than as a way to express their innermost repressed desires.
MEANING: They don’t bully people online because they “can’t do it in real life”, whether because of societal norms or physical inability. Likewise, they are not acting “the way they would like to act IRL if they could” in said video game. Nearly everyone can differentiate between video games and reality. Most act differently in reality not because they are afraid of consequences IRL, but because their own *personal* principles compel them to act in a certain way (for example, returning a lost wallet intact). Criminally-inclined people (or the mentally unstable) act the way they do irrespective of the rules of society (IRL society or in-game society).
Please, if you must reply in such boneheaded fashion, don’t ever try to psychoanalyze anyone via the internet again, as you are glaringly inept at such endeavours. Instead, try placing yourself in others’ shoes and at least attempt to understand their point of view.
And before you start flaming: I am a miner. I will not be participating in Hulkageddon (at least not on the shooting end), and I wish people like you would stop making us look retarded by association.
January 4, 2010 at 3:05 pm
I don’t believe your well enough versed in some of the issues needed for me to explain how off topic you are.
So to make it simple, what you got to do is find any (ANY SINGLE 1) psychology paper that suggests people’s online actions are completely independent from the true self. That really is all you got to do. But you won;t find such a paper.
As a matter of fact, when the online disinhibition effect is studied and discussed, it is just assumed that online actions are just an extension of the true self. It is so thoroughly established that they don’t even bother saying 2 lines about it anymore.
Please at least read up on issues before making yourself look like an idiot. A good place to start would be the difference between the subconscious self and the conscious self. Then read a little philosophy on the development of virtues. Then see where you want to take it from there. Cos seriously, you are off base, like stoopid off base.
January 4, 2010 at 9:49 pm
It’s simple, it’s fun. The fact that you are so mad right now, that’s fun. In the context of EVE, this act can be fun as they designed it to be in the game. Now if this was a game of Candyland and you just came across the board and crushed my little token because that was fun, well then that would be messed up.
Might I suggest you play Candyland instead?
January 5, 2010 at 1:57 am
“I get all that, ‘it’s the way the game is, It just is.’ But see, that still doesn’t explain where the desire to cause online grief comes from. And the desire to cause online grief after knowing that it does indeed cause RL grief oftentimes. You can’t just disagree and be done with it mate, you have to try to explain it. (where the desire comes from, and why)”
Oh, oh, this one is easy.
I’m a sadist.
I derive a great deal of pleasure (emotional, psychological, sexual, whatever, depending on context) from the consensual suffering of others, especially when I get to inflict it. I’m fully aware of this fact, comfortable with it, and even proud of it in certain respects.
Like it or not, everyone who plays EVE consents to being a possible victim. Deal with it. The more you cry, the more I enjoy myself.
January 4, 2010 at 1:11 pm
O M G dude, after saying this
‘i chose to reply to this post (incidentally, it’s one of those guys that moderates replies, so expect my reply to disappear shortly after this) to try and explain how it’s hardly certain death when gankers attack.’
You go and turn comment moderation on for your own site!!
It’s known as hypocrisy.
January 4, 2010 at 1:33 pm
uhm what? Your posts are still here? It’s not moderated?
January 4, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Now this is true beauty.
I commend you on the sculpting of a most masterful batch of tears, only made better by thier disguise as reason.
January 4, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Being somewhat of a carebear myself, I too am distressed by having to be lumped into a group with this guy, thought my carebearity only spawns from me starting the game only a week ago.
However, being no noob of the Internet, I find this whole event funny as hell and can see the fun in it!
I’m a fan of lasers and explosions, after all.
I would join in if I didn’t question my own ability to kill much of anything on eve.
January 4, 2010 at 5:23 pm
is it even nescessary to add something other than that “pvp”ers go for hulks in high sec? That’s just something for pvp’ers that fail to pvp. But yeah, it’s a game, it’s allowed, so do what makes you happy. Nothing wrong about doing it. Quite ironical thought that you kill the guys that supply you your stuff that you need to do it 😉
January 4, 2010 at 9:52 pm
But you won’t stop mining and making stuff because you want isk……yes the irony is not lost on us.
January 4, 2010 at 6:24 pm
One time, I went through the drive-through at the local taco stand and accepted an order from the person at the window even though I knew that the order was incorrect.
The cashier read back the order: two chicken tacos, a small fry, and a Dr. Pepper. Heck, I don’t even like Dr. Pepper, but I smiled and payed for it, just to watch the person behind me flip their lid when they pulled up to the window after me, their order no where to be found. You can call me a real life taco ninja if it pleads you.
Does this make me predisposed to ganking Hulks in high sec, just to hear people cry about it?
January 4, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Yes? If you listen to Freud here.
January 4, 2010 at 6:42 pm
I’m pretty sure of a few things from that thread:
1) Alt0101 and his type are the only real cowards in there.
2) Entgo Ditumi takes the game to seriously as well
3) People blow things out of proportion, by not understanding the true nature of this online video game we love.
4) I wish I could join in, but my sec status is too low and I am too lazy to leave my WH to rat it back up.
So Hellicity, props on the good organizing, good luck to everyone participating, and good luck to the miners. Gods know they will need it.
Chainer Cygnus
P.S. I hear the moral high ground can get windy, if you need a tent or something to keep warm let me know, I have a few to spare.
January 4, 2010 at 7:20 pm
To #4, sec status doesn’t matter. We’ve ganked several hulks in the past couples days (warming up for Hulkageddon II) and we’re all -10! One was even in a 1.0 CONCORD system! 😛
January 4, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Time for Frank’s bad analogy corner:
So, My football team sucked this year. We played our last game against a team that had a chance to go to the playoffs if they won that game. My team didn’t have anything to gain by winning except to knock out the other team from the playoffs and the excitement of a win. We won, and everyone felt good about knocking the other team out of their chance to progress.(As they said in interviews after the game.)
Are they all morally deficient?(Denver fans don’t answer ;P)
January 4, 2010 at 10:04 pm
It’s not a half page article, it’s 10 pages long, you would have know that if you reached the bottom of the first page.
January 4, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Also, its not impossible to fill the pool that day. Go to the adjacent house and start filling up buckets!
January 5, 2010 at 5:40 am
all of this fuss for what? a game? how many hulk / mackinaw pilots will be flyng in 0.0 or low sec now anyway? the worst thing this is going to do is tie up some mission runner capsuleers in guarding exhumer pilots in midsec/hisec mining ops. and what if exhumer pilots do not heed the warning? those who did will make boocoo isk from thier reserves of tritanium they should now start hoarding! the end result of all of this is a temporary spike in the cost of ore to replace lost exhumers and ships lost defending them, and maybe some lost implants if the griefers get lucky podding pilots.
January 5, 2010 at 4:55 pm
You have my support! I’m a truck driver so I won’t likely be on for this hulkageddon and I sold my hulk the other day for 100 mill more then I paye for it.
I can’t wait to see the results this time and I can only imagine Hulkagedon 3 will be even more epic.
January 5, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Speaking as someone who got ganked in Hek this afternoon, it’s just a part of the game. Grow up and deal with it. I can’t believe someone honestly wished cancer upon you. That’s just ridiculous.
I am not happy about the loss of my Hulk, but what the hell, you definitely woke me up and made the game more interesting!
January 5, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Omg I just read some of the comments after I commented. Some of you carebears are truely retarded. In real life I’m an Eagle Scout. I believe in honor. I keep my promises. I tell the cashier when they make a mistake and charge me less. I shovel my neighbors driveway when it snows because he’s old.
Yet somehow if I kill your ship in game then in real life I’m a closet criminal asshole??? Wow. I love eve and I’ve lost several ships to griefers, pirates, and whatnot. Was I mad? Sure I was at times. Do I blame them? No.
Honestly the only thing in eve that really bugs me is all the scam contracts. Mostly because I have to read so many to find a legit one at the best price. It’s annoying but it’s a legit means of income so I wouldn’t change it.
So all you miners fly unsafe for a week and I’ll root for The Bastards to win!
January 6, 2010 at 1:39 am
I am a miner, and I really do not care, this is a game based on the players and we do what we want here, what other game gives us that kind of freedom?
I feel sorry for others who think that here are some psychological problems involved in this game act, for christ sake!.
If you do not like the consequences of being in this game, just quit the game, turn off the computer and issue fixed or play WOW =).
So many people are so entrenched in their way of play that any change seems bad, the same happen with each expansion, what we have to do is evolve as the game evolves, either by changes made by CCP or by changes that make the players like in this case, mature a bit and have fun.
So far i`m going to try to evade hulkageddon, without stop my mining activities and if I lose a hulk so be it! because I get enough isk in a few days to buy another end of story.
January 6, 2010 at 5:33 am
While I don’t feel this is right, I don’t object to Hulkageddon. I say go for it and kill as many isk farmers you can.
I personnally will be putting my mining fleet away for this event and be grabbing my interceptor or destroyer rigged for salvaging and looting mission wrecks and picking up any scraps left behind. If I knew of any isk farmer mining spots. I would post them here to give you all a heads up.
Though I personally would like to see some video recordings of hulks getting ganked. Maybe even orcas and other high dollar ships.
Maybe I’ll just grab a hauler and pick up minerals and ore left behind in wrecks.
January 6, 2010 at 6:47 am
To be honest, if this event is such a heartbreaking tragedy, then people should form groups to combat it.
Hulkageddon goes out to kill miners, but, oh my! Someone has formed an anti-suicide gank gank fleet!
That would be fun.
January 6, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Penis.
January 6, 2010 at 3:58 pm
HELICITY YOU SHOULD GET CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER (it’s super cancer)
STOP KILLING MY BANTAM
CANCER CANCER
CANCER
January 6, 2010 at 6:21 pm
“One has been a bad spectator of life if one has not also seen the hand that in a considerate fashion- kills”
also, it seems to me, and I may be wrong, that ngdgt is confusing the idea that “One has the right to do whatever one wishes” With the idea that “One has the right to ATTEMPT to do whatever one wishes”, (and every other bugger has the right to attempt to stop you).
and I think I might have to resub in order to put up a prize for the first person to pod the poster oft the coment that spawned this thread
January 7, 2010 at 12:55 am
Damn.
Some people take things way too seriously.
I can see Alt0101 still being hit around the head by CCP Banhammers…lol.
January 7, 2010 at 2:51 am
No one should ever wish anyone cancer, that is just disgusting and inappropriate. Not to mention saying that you be born dead is horrific.
Some people need to grow up, get laid and remember it’s only a damn game. No need to bitch about loosing something that is not even real.
January 7, 2010 at 2:53 am
@ ngdgt,
You sir are what is wrong with the world. Over analyzed bullshit with a good lack of personal responsibility.
For 1 psychology is not a black/white subject and your posting as if it is, thus showing your absolute lack of knowledge on the subject.
Every second paper that comes out on the topic of Online gaming is a contradiction to the last…. So please dont go around spouting SHIT as if it is fact!!.
But hey that is irrelevant. You argue with logic but as far as i am concerned you are not entitled to that right as you believe in fictional beings and stories… AKA GOD!
“There is as much evidence for god as there is for superman” Actually more… God has 1 “good book” superman has many 🙂
January 7, 2010 at 3:22 am
Kim Jong II? Is he related to Kim Jong Il?
January 7, 2010 at 4:14 am
CAREBEAR!!! WHOOT WHOOT I MAKE THE SHIT YOU BLOW ME UP WITH!!
As to the cancer bit, the guy is obviously frustrated. Take it and leave it at that. No need to put more emorage where there is obviously too much already.
Beer time!
January 7, 2010 at 9:56 pm
fuckin carebear can kiss my ass…….thats wrong to get so pissy over a event……i hate lossing iskies too but shit its only a game….
what a fuckin asshole that toon owner is!
January 9, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Having been playing this game for maybe 2 weeks mining is my sole source of “real” income. Those are the skill sets I have trained thus far. Unfortunately I have been baited with cargo containers, lost 4 ships in 20 minutes (granted they were noob ships) before I figured out where the aggression countdown was. I had someone steal my cargo container while jet mining and decided to try to fight him with another ship. I lost….horribly.
I do not yet possess the knowledge to pvp in any way. I don’t truly understand the combat nor the modules quite yet. Having said that…..parked my mining barge and it will remain docked for the week. It is truly difficult to recover from the loss of a ship when you first start out. Having discovered that the hard way, it made docking my ship a VERY simple decision. I see the point of hulkageddon. I wish I were safe in high sec space if only it would give me time to figure out this incredibly intricate game. Alas, that is not the case. Quit crying, get insurance, or leave it docked. How much one risks is up to the individual.
January 9, 2010 at 8:26 pm
you are going to go further in eve than any of the whiners. good on you!
January 12, 2010 at 11:05 am
ngdgt – you have a larger vocabulary and more brain cells than me for sure ..
Personally I agree with you about the whole griefing thing simple.
They do it because they have no balls, try 0.0 I guess it wouldn’t be as much fun there huh
My view is that plain and simple
Do you remember a guy called mathew pike Helcity?
Be careful, some ppl take things like this waaaaaaay to seriously 😉
January 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Hulkageddon + Hellicity > Life
February 8, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Helicity Boson, the king of flamebaiting and queen of drama. Why is it when there is anything to do with e-drama on EVE online you can be found?
I’ve noticed a lot of people here trying to reason you out or analyze your psychological persona, whilst this is a game something occurred to me, there is no denying that based on wherever I see something from you that guaranteed it’s something for you to feed off, be it bad vibes or negative reactions….Not just Hulkageddon, but just about any topic that appears in the EVE forums.
This isn’t an analysis, this is unarguable fact, and THIS is a direct understanding of the sort of person you are, irregardless of whether you have fun blowing up ships, ganking people, or other similar activities. You thrive on these negative actions, and you follow through with this on the forums where there is no game, merely people having discussion.
I’m not going to go deep into this as I could be using this time more constructively, but after reading some of the comments I felt I needed to point this observation out.
Denial of the fact that you’re a bottom dweller who lives off negative reactions doesn’t go very far when all your posts in and out of the game point to the very same behavior just makes you look more pathetic than you already are.
In future, I suggest you just get on with doing what you do in the game, if that’s what you enjoy, rather than broadcasting it over the EVE forums just so you can get your depraved kicks out of it (which evidently you do).
And finally, anyone who uses the “delicious tears” argument is by default a moronic buffoon with no more brain cells than a common household knat.
Good day.
February 8, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Don’t you mean “gnat”?
February 8, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Yes, i did mean gnat. Well played old chap. Your supremacy by correcting me on a single letter misplacement must make you feel euphoric and proud, so let me first praise you on your amazing English spelling, also for your unsurpassed attention to detail. Now kindly fuck off back to the internet police – English Grammar, Punctuation and Spelling department where no doubt your fellow brothers where someone gives a fuck.
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